Daz It, Daz All
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Daz It, Daz All
The Harmony Utopia Fest
What if you could transform a mishap into a million-dollar idea? This episode celebrates resilience and creativity as we highlight the journeys of Shacora and Zhavea, two incredible black women redefining success in the business world. Shakura, the powerhouse behind Royal Habits Clothing, shares her evolution from the entertainment industry to crafting a luxury urban brand in Los Angeles, emphasizing a commitment to quality and custom designs. Javier, on the other hand, recounts how an unexpected incident during a music video shoot led to the birth of her thriving natural hair care line, Javier Collection, showcasing the strength of turning adversity into opportunity.
Host KC Carnage (@iamkccarnage), Shacora (@iamshacora) and Zhavea (@zhavea)
Daz It Daz All is written by KC Carnage (@iamkccarnage) and Produced by KC Carnage and Rick Barrio Dill (@rickbarriodill). Associate producer Bri Coorey (@bri_beats), Audio and Video Engineering and Studio facilities provided by S.L.A.P. Studios LA (@SLAPStudiosLA) with distribution through our collective for social progress and cultural expression, SLAP the Network. (@SLAPtheNetwork.com)
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The age of sisterhood is upon us.
Speaker 2:I believe in that.
Speaker 1:There's no more of that. They want to pretend that we're bashing each other, but we're really not. And everybody's in competition? Not at all.
Speaker 3:They're always in competition. Which I love about our friendship is that even when I wasn't selling, or vice versa, we always were there with each other. Just to help to support, because it's not really about competition at the end the end of day. So that's what kind of helped us be like hey, we need to do our own thing, like because it's co-elevating you know, yeah, black excellence at its finest.
Speaker 1:How that skin glows, she's a true diamond, with the world right out back, she's still smiling, never left that crown till she stayed thriving. That's it, that's all. That's it. That's all. That's it, that's all, that's it, that's all. Is that really it, though? What up, what up? What up? Welcome to. That's it, that's All. I'm your host, kasey Carnage, but y'all know me. Today we have some lovely, lovely ladies on the couch. We got my girl, shakura, hey, and Javier, hey, and they're going to talk about what they got going on, and, as you know, this podcast is about highlighting black women through our voices, through our lens, through the things that we're doing, how we're showing up in the world and how we're helping the world, and they have some amazing things going on. We're going to talk about their individual businesses, but we're also going to talk about the Harmony Utopia Fest, which I think is going to be amazing, and I'm excited and we ready. Yes.
Speaker 2:So what's up, girls? So first off, my name is Shakora, as you guys just heard her say, and I do have a clothing brand, royal Habits Clothing. I do a lot of customs. You know I'm from the East Coast originally. I moved to LA about East Coast girl. I know I moved to LA about five years ago, like basically just to trace my dream. Like everybody else, I was doing music, acting the whole nine yards. But then once the pandemic hit, I kind of did a reset and I'm like let me focus on my rebranding with my clothing brand, because when you're creative, like, it just comes from everywhere, whether it's music, clothes, whatever the case may be, like I was just like I need to get in tune with creating. So I got back on my clothing brand and I started doing pop-ups.
Speaker 1:And what would you describe your clothing.
Speaker 2:I would say it's like a luxury urban brand. You know what I mean Urban chic. Yeah, you can say urban chic, I like.
Speaker 1:I mean the reason why I'm calling it chic is I've seen it and I've seen your models that you have and it's definitely giving like. It's giving runway, it's giving that urban vibe, so we put in the universe as well.
Speaker 2:Yes, I receive that, Okay For sure. So I'm big on quality, like I would not sell something that I wouldn't wear myself, and I love doing customs. But it's just harder to do customs because it's like you're dealing with different sizes, different people and now that I'm doing other things it's just a little bit more difficult to own in on, like just doing one-to-one pieces for everyone. So a lot of people like the one-to-one pieces but I have to make things for the masses right now because I have so many different things going on. But DM us so we can still do a custom two weeks ahead of time.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like not going to turn down any. You know how about you Jah?
Speaker 3:Okay. So how about you, Jav? Okay so, hey guys, Javier, I'm actually first to record an artist. I've been doing music since 2011. So a little bit about me. I was doing a lot of touring overseas in Jamaica, Grenada, where my family's from Trinidad, different places like that and I was doing a music video called Gimme that Love featuring Beanie man. That's one of my biggest hits and it's a really funny story. So, basically, they were supposed to wet my hair. I have naturally curly hair and I have the braids in today, but naturally curly hair and I have bleach in my hair. They were supposed to wet my hair with water and they wet it with alcohol and my hair just started coming out for weeks and things like that because of humidity and things like that. So I was devastated and I think they did it on purpose. So that's number one.
Speaker 1:Another story for another time, that's another day, but that's a short version.
Speaker 3:So I was very devastated. I was trying different things and my family they told me about this secret ingredient that they would use to help your hair grow. So I used that plus put other things in it and my hair started to grow back. So that created Javier Collection. I actually have one of my bottles with me right now.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, show me the bottle. I love when people bring things. Yes, girl, bring all the things so like. Fortunately your business came out of it, but unfortunately people need to stop hating yeah, so this is the first thing I made so you can smell.
Speaker 3:It smells pretty good. It has all natural ingredients. You can have it make your hair, y'all it smells mad good.
Speaker 1:It smells mad good, it smells so good. So like this is for like scalp.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it helps your hair grow really, really quickly, like pre-poo sitch or it's like every day so usually I do it every other day, she's going to zoom in y'all.
Speaker 1:There she goes. Oh, it smells so good. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Usually I do it every other day. You just put it on your scalp, massage it you don't have to put that much and you'll start seeing results. People some of my customers alopecia and things like that in their hair has been growing. So yeah, I'm going to try it.
Speaker 1:I got these braids in there I can put my old braids in there.
Speaker 3:Yes, put on your braids, girl. We all have the braids, I love it.
Speaker 1:I know we're all matching. Okay, we go through. There's a lot of things that challenge, especially as a business owner, as somebody who's running their own business or somebody that is running their own career. Right, Because what are some of the challenges you guys have faced and how have you overcome them?
Speaker 2:Well, for starters, when I get emails, it's always there, sir, for some reason, like yeah, always. That's crazy. I don't know why. Because, like my brand is actually like unisex. So I don't know why, because, like my brand is actually like unisex, so I don't know if that's why that another impression that it's a male running it or whatnot.
Speaker 2:So I just feel like as being a female period. It's hard for us, you know. So, for starters, when I started my first collection out in LA, I got a new manufacturer Girl. It took me like almost two years to get my merchandise from him. Like, after you know, I've paid everything, I have to pretty much harass him. I had to pretty much get a friend go up there with me, like who was a male, and I had my stuff the next day. So I was just like it's difficult being a woman, you know what I'm saying. Like you know they'll try you, opposed to like if you were a man, it's like no, oh, next week, come by next week. You know what I mean. So, like, I feel like just being a female in the business world it could be tough. You know it's not always easy. How about you?
Speaker 3:I definitely agree with that Because even just like us looking, for example, like a marketing agent, you already know what happened. This an agent, you already know what happened. Yeah, this guy, he came up to me. He's like, oh, I'm gonna help market your stuff. And next thing I know he's in my text saying dirty stuff to me and I'm just like oh the dirty stuff.
Speaker 2:He said girl, it was just so random, like oh he basically was like what did he say?
Speaker 3:again, he said something along the lines like oh um, I have something to tell you. And I was like what? And he was like oh uh, I want to to see how you taste, or some shit like that. I can't even remember, but it was along the lines of that and.
Speaker 3:I was like like we were supposed to have a meeting, like about marketing my stuff. So that's one thing. You know, we also have done a lot of like pop ups and stuff like that. It's always some creep and it's just a lot. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 1:I had a friend I actually had a lawyer friend tell me that, as a woman, even though we shouldn't have to do this, when we go to these meetings or we set up these meetings, we should always have a male with us, not to speak for us, but the fact that it's a protection thing. Yeah, for sure Because a lot of times you think especially, think like, especially like you know, you know we carry ourselves the way we carry us.
Speaker 1:Nobody should have to like, uh, move differently than what they're already moving right and sometimes it's very disheartening when you feel like somebody is like seeing you and like really out here to cheer you and you support you and you get there and they got ulterior motives you know it's it's sad, it's which happens all the time, all the time time.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, All the time. It's sick. I call it pretty girl syndrome. I'm telling you it's pretty girl syndrome. We can't win.
Speaker 1:So we out here winning. I'm just joking. Okay, so you guys do a lot of pop-up events, right?
Speaker 2:You guys are vendors.
Speaker 1:I've been to one of your shows that you're vending.
Speaker 2:How did you guys decided I want to be in a so I originally, when I started rebranding, like I said, I was an artist as well. Um, before I started with my brand, but I've also. You know, when you're an artist you are your brand. So it kind of went hand in hand. But when the pandemic came, I stopped doing music and I just focused on the brand. So what I did was I decided to rebrand because I've been out for a while but I wanted to make sure that everybody knew who RHC was. So I did pop-ups in New York, rhode Island, atlanta, arizona, like you name it.
Speaker 2:I decided to do like I think it was like an eight city tour where I did pop-up shops in every city. So after I finished that, I decided to just focus on LA, because I hadn't did any in LA yet. So then I started doing like a lot of like something dope to do for the women you know up-and-coming small vending events and stuff like that. And basically what I started realizing as I started trying to do like the bigger venues Black on the Block or Hot Water, cornbread, some of the you know bigger establishments is like as a small business, you're spending a lot of money. So like you kind of expect to, like you know, make something. You know one or two sales something, and I feel like as much money as you spend as a vendor. You know what I mean. Like it wasn't marketed, it wasn't really catered to the vendors so much. What do you mean by that? What do you think it was catered to?
Speaker 2:So I just think like I don't want to put something into the universe but I just feel like, for example, we do it like I do events now, because I was a vendor before and I felt like, ok, I'm paying so much money to be a vendor and I'm not making any money. So now what I do with my events is that I charge the vendors basically barely anything. You know what I mean. So basically I'm like OK, even if you come and you don don't make a lot of money, you didn't really lose anything and you got your brand out there, you got your name out there. We also market the vendors on every single thing we do. Like they have a placement on our page, like you can go and follow them, even if it's weeks or months after the event that they did. If you're looking for them, you'll still be able to find them. So they'll always, always be listed on our page, opposed to like sometimes I pay like $400 to be a vendor and I wasn't even listed on the page and then when I got there, I had to set up all the way in the back. People don't even know I'm back there.
Speaker 2:So it was just like you know, like I'm not, we're like me personally with with the events we throw now. We're not in it for the money. We're in it to bring the creatives together. So, like, even as an artist I've paid to perform sometimes and I get there there's no producers that I can work with, there's no one looking for the vision, looking for fresh artists, you know, there's no one giving positive advice and feedback on my performance, the X, y and Z. So we're basically trying to bring the whole community together where everybody is getting help, like it's benefiting everybody, not just like the people throwing it together or just have you had the same kind of experiences yeah, so I she actually inspired me to start the pop-ups because before I was just selling online, like again, like I said, with the hair growth serum, I have a whole line.
Speaker 3:Now I have different shampoos, conditioners and also it's 100% vegan. So I actually started selling my stuff in 2020 because, again, pandemic, nothing to do, kind of stopped the music also as well, like her. So, with that being said, she was going to different places and what was that?
Speaker 2:last year or year before I don't remember yeah it was like last year, the last couple years and actually like, yeah, it was last year. Right, we went to Atlanta, right, we're forgetting this. 2024 I know, I'm just like wait a minute, it was, it was just 2020. Yesterday, yesterday.
Speaker 3:So she went to Atlanta.
Speaker 2:I came with her, you know, to support she had her ROTC there and we went to Also, just to chime in, like even the ones that I was doing out of state, I always usually get like two local artists that come out perform for free. I usually get free food, drinks, because it's about the community. So I want you guys to come in, learn about the brand, vibe with us, enjoy us. You know what I mean. So it was basically like a marketing strategy and we ended up doing one together in Arizona, which did really well.
Speaker 3:Which did really well. So then I was like hmm, you know, I started applying to things like Black Flea and things like that. So I did a couple of the bigger events, but then we found out the malls had opportunities to do pop-ups also. So we're always together doing this, like we will set up together, you know, help each other out because we only had each other, because we didn't have nobody else. So, thank god, I'm I'm thankful for you, because at that point we were just thinking about though like that's what it's about.
Speaker 1:Like I feel like the here's the thing we can't do. Do it by ourselves, right? No, we want to believe we can do it by ourselves. We want to act like everything is on our shoulders and we can create everything, but when you find really genuine people that really believe in your vision and see your vision, it really means more than anything.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So, it's good that you guys have, you know, a partner and you guys can do that, because and also too, I think that it's important that younger girls can see that Of course, Like you know what I mean. Like the age of sisterhood is upon us, right yeah, I agree, I believe in that. There's no more of that. Like they want to pretend that we're bashing each other, but we're really not.
Speaker 3:And everybody's in competition. Not at all, not at all. They're always in competition. Which I love about our friendship is that even when I wasn't selling, or vice versa, we always were there with each other just to help, to support, because it's not really about competition at the end of the day. So that's what kind of helped us be like, hey, we need to do our own thing Because it's co-elevating right, it's co-elevating, so come up with that idea.
Speaker 1:I want to know how you guys came up with the name, because I was just like I'm in Ethiopia, because it's kind of like, kind of the same, but not.
Speaker 2:Okay, so first, like, where do we start? All right, so first off, we came up with the whole idea because, like she said, we actually started doing mall, the mall events or whatever. Now, the mall events were very stressful. So, like, let me tell you, our backs were hurting.
Speaker 3:It was so crazy. I'm like there's so many stories Like where do I start? Crazy people.
Speaker 2:We can both give you guys like a quick stalker story.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you're in the mall for hours at a time, right, doing these events. You're basically in it for damn near like 12 hours at a time. You're vending, you're selling stuff. Now, in the midst of it, you're getting all type of strange people walking around you. You know a man that would just walk past you and just directly follow you, like, and they'll be still walking, follow you. Men with their girls just staring, following you, whatever. So, um, as a business owner, it's like okay, hi, like, yeah, I want you to buy this shirt. Hey, thank you, you know I'm saying so. It's just like when they come over, oh, what's this? You know you're going to entertain it because you're trying to sell something, but after a while it's just like so me, okay, I'm from New York. So the thing about being from New York is that you learn at a very young age if a guy asks you for their even like, don't even give them a fake number. Give them the real number, because they'll call you right then and there and be like oh, you'll get cursed out.
Speaker 2:They'll be mad you could have just told me no, like it would be a whole thing. So you know, as I'm doing these events, like she always tells me, like why do you give out your?
Speaker 1:real number. I'm like, like I said, but this one time Marketing tactic, she knows she doing it. You know what that?
Speaker 2:was the last time I gave out my number though, because I'm just like okay, whatever.
Speaker 2:So I give my number out, this guy's calling, he sends me a text message, but I'm busy. I got a lot of things going on. You know what I'm saying. I don't have time to answer like on your terms. So, long story short, I got a little free time and she just so happened to be with me because, like, I'm planning other stuff. So I'm like, oh, I met this guy at the mall. I think we can use him for this. So I'm like, let me plug in with him, so I give him a call or whatever. How are you? Oh, like, it was just so crazy, it was like a demon on the other side of the phone Girl.
Speaker 3:It was so weird, it was so crazy, it was so weird, honestly like.
Speaker 2:I'm very outspoken and stuff, so if it scared me, like we know that's a problem. So I thought if I was speaking now, like he's just getting crazy on the phone, he's like, oh, I can't even really remember, but he was just like so rude and nasty on the phone. Oh, people make time for the things that they want.
Speaker 3:She just met him three days ago Talking about I'm a kid you're going to miss out.
Speaker 2:So it was just so crazy because he was just like oh, people make time for the things that they want.
Speaker 3:You can't be that me. He doesn't even know me, so.
Speaker 2:I'm like. So now I put on my you know, professional voice. I'm like you know what. I'm so sorry. I was like I'm really not. I was like I'm really not a confrontational person. Oh, you're going to be alone. For the rest, just like he hit you with a baby girl yes, oh, he was so real he was so mad um, I was like okay, you have a blessed day. God bless you, right, girl. He started sending me selfies of himself.
Speaker 3:Selfies now I know this is.
Speaker 2:This is like really out of like the norm. But, like I said, you know, I don't really date that much in la, like you know what I'm saying. So a while back, when I was talking to a guy in la like all day he would send me selfies, so I I was like is that an LA thing? Like I know that's off topic, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:To be honest with you the LA date, and that's another topic.
Speaker 2:Y'all can go check it out on YouTube?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we definitely talk about it Tell us what episode girl because I need to look that one up. No, it's literally the funniest episode, because it's crazy, but yeah girl like la dating has been it's been a strange
Speaker 2:place. Like men are strange, it was I was scared.
Speaker 1:I'm not like before we get too off topic. So you guys were doing these mall events and you guys were talking about creating this event. Okay, the Utopia.
Speaker 2:So what happened was one day at the mall or whatever. It was actually the day when I was like this is my last time doing the mall event. I can't like it's just too much. Like the hassle, the stalkers, everything. So, long story short, I ended up losing like a piece to one of my racks that I needed and I went around to different vendors, asked them like, oh, do you have like an Allen key or whatever? And it just so happened like this white man who was coming to help his daughter set up had one in his truck or something like that, so he ended up bringing it back. And then, you know, he just basically asked me like did I know anyone who would be interested in vending and also like planning an event that they had at a state, like somewhere in a what?
Speaker 3:was it Box Canyon, box Canyon.
Speaker 2:So it was like, basically, I want to say it was like a state, but it was like a I don't know. It gave like Coachella vibes. You know what I mean. So you know I agreed to do it. You know what I'm saying. Like me and her legit followed up with him the next day, you know, linked up with him and his business partner. So that's basically how the Harmony Utopia Fest came about, because we got presented with an opportunity to throw events for another establishment, some investors, a different group of people, and it didn't work out. So when that didn't work out, I was just basically like you know what we both was like we can do this ourselves, like we did all of this for these people in a short amount of time.
Speaker 2:Imagine what we can do for ourselves. So the thing that was the red flag for us, the reason why it didn't work out, is because he basically wanted to, I want to kind of say, monitor the group of people we brought in there and we felt there it was very strange. Yeah, we put so much work and energy into this event that I want my people to be able to come out and enjoy it.
Speaker 3:He was a white man that wanted to monitor how many black people were there Exactly and the area was like you're going to call us crazy, but when we went up there it looked like hills have eyes, okay that's just too many it's just a lot, it's just so crazy cause.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Polo G we ended up at his. Oh my god, we ended up at Polo G's house it was just so many crazy things that happened the man, the man.
Speaker 3:Basically he worked on Polo G's house. I guess like sold it to him and he's like, oh, polo G's going to be. This is like when we didn't know things.
Speaker 2:The story's still crazy to me.
Speaker 3:He basically said that Polo G's going to come sing or whatever at the event. We're like, okay, he's like, okay, I'm going to introduce you to him. So we think Polo G knows we're coming. Like, oh, these are going to be the coordinators for the event. So Polo G rolls up, he's on crutches and he's yelling man like you got people here, what?
Speaker 2:is going on. I don't know you like that and I was like it was so crazy. Let's get out of here because, like I don't know what's happening the thing about it is like I don't want to make any comments so people think I'm racist, like my stepmother's white.
Speaker 3:You know, I got so many all my friends are half white, so it's like my best friend's half white, so it's really not that, but some people are just like girl.
Speaker 2:Some people are just like girl, it was just like clueless, Like it's just crazy, Like I really feel, like he felt entitled, Like like it was just crazy, Like it was just it was.
Speaker 3:I was upset because I'm like you put us in a situation to where something could have happened to us.
Speaker 2:You brought us up here, you know, to this man's private property, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And my whole thing is like I had told her like, okay, they bringing us in because they need a black crowd, they need a black audience, but at the same time, I'm not going to bring my people out here to get assaulted or, you know, targeted for any strange reason. Because now we're discussing with these guys like security and certain things that they're going to need for the venue, and they're like no, we need mutual Like as soon as he said that I got really scared. I was like immediately we had a meeting.
Speaker 2:After that we was like, yeah, no.
Speaker 1:I'm not sensitive. I'm like let's have a divide, Okay, so you guys curbed him, we curbed him. And then where did you guys go to next?
Speaker 2:We went to the Valley closer to where we live, north Hills.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we and we actually had called them because we needed something from them and they thought we were trying to throw an event at their spot we're like, no, we got our own stuff going on by that point in time.
Speaker 2:Excuse me, so we do have a residency location in North Hills which is like a resort mansion style venue. That's where we have the fest with all the vendors, food activities, games, marijuana, meditations, massages. It's basically like it's a whole experience. Like you come there, you do different things, have a good time, drink, eat. But then we also have another location in Angola where we hold the showcases.
Speaker 3:So it's two different little bars you get we kind of just want to be. Basically, our vision is to be the next Black Coachella. So that's where we're at right now. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that, let's manifest that, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:In this music showcase. What does that look like for somebody who's thinking about going to the event, who is like I'm not sure I see these things, but you know, I don't know. What would you tell them Like, why should they be at this event if they're interested in coming or doing?
Speaker 3:this. Well, since both of us were in the industry prior, we have connections, producers, different people that do videos, different things like that. So I believe it's a really good opportunity just to get them out there. Plus, we're all about the people. Again, like we said earlier, it's not about the money. We know how hard it is to be in the industry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because FYI people, we are not making any coins right now. Okay. Check us back in a few months or something. But as of now it's like and we give back to charity Every single time we throw an event, whether we make money or not. Mind you, we have not been making any money at all, but, like I said, we'll take money out of our own pockets to give back to charity from every single event that we do.
Speaker 3:And that's something that people don't understand, which goes on the topic about you know, friends that don't support you, you know like a $10 ticket. I got people harassing me like, oh, can you get me in for free? And I'm just like, hey, like it's, the tickets are done, you know. So at the end of the day it's like, if you're my friend, it's only $10. You should put support. You know, this is not just some random party down the street.
Speaker 1:I know you guys saw that post. It always floats around every so often it says you're the biggest supporters of the people on the Internet. They are. It's sad.
Speaker 3:It's the people that don't even know. You Know sure.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy and I always wonder why. I always want to dissect that. I don't know if it's like well, it's a homeboy, a homegirl thing we should like. Like, I think, the concept, I think more so, like in our community, the concept of feeling like you don't have to pay your friends, Like why is that even a thing?
Speaker 3:I don't understand, because I just feel like if you want to support your friend, you shouldn't be going. Oh, I need to get it for free. Or can I get a discount? Because they don't see the work that we're doing, like with your clothes, with my hair stuff, how much it costs just to make your clothes, make my stuff, get it made and things like that.
Speaker 2:They don't get it, so like they'll see money coming in, they'll see like the bar, and it's like that didn't even put a dent in what this whole thing together. Like people don't understand. Like cameraman, you have to pay for those. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Security.
Speaker 2:Photographer, we have to pay for that. Security, we have to pay for that. Like the venue, you have to pay for that. Like nobody gives you anything for free. But like, honestly, like yo, I love my friends like family. So like like I wanted this to where we basically we both talked about it, like how we bring all of our friends in together and we come up together because we can't do it on our own.
Speaker 1:We're very much aware of that that's why I was like I think the event that we met one of our good friends shout out to Nadia Chatworthy Magazine she created like this what was it? Influencer content creation day. And she rented a thing and I got to meet a lot of beautiful people.
Speaker 3:I met Shkora there.
Speaker 1:I met Jacob there. I met a lot of good people that are artists and I felt like it was such an inspiring event. And then I went to her next event, which was like the Barbie.
Speaker 2:Day. Yeah, I wasn't able to make that one, but it was really dope.
Speaker 1:It was a big one and she had, like this female empowerment dinner. We all sat there and it was like the most beautiful women, just women, doing what we are supposed to do, loving on each other, supporting each other buying from each other. It was amazing and I can't wait. I think it's like a yearly annual thing.
Speaker 2:I don't care where I'm at, I'm coming.
Speaker 1:So annual thing. I was like I don't care where I'm at, I'm coming, so I really yeah, I admire that and I think that, like people like yourself who have that same kind of mission to go out and make sure that you're tapping into your community, your friends and artists that's the biggest thing. Artists are shaping the world so amazingly. That needs to be spread.
Speaker 1:That word needs to be spread, because it's those creative minds who are coming up with the Harmony Utopia effect Exactly Coming up with the solution for hair and alopecia Coming up for somebody to be like I don't want to be all pressed up, I want to have something comfortable but fly. Exactly, and it's like those platforms are very important and for me, especially when it comes to black women. Like I come from the East Coast, when I came to LA I did not feel black women were appreciated or valued.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:It was. It was, they were underpaid and I would have the same conversations with different packets of friends. I got a lot of friends Like I'm a lone wolf in a sense, like I got my pockets, but I I am a lone wolf in a sense, like I got my pockets, but I I am a woman of the world, like I like talking to everybody, right, and I would hear the same conversation no matter where I was at, and I was like, okay, we need to talk about it. We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what we're gonna do. Yeah, because I've been out here for a while, like I said. I say, yeah, I've been out here for a while, like I said, and, um, like with the dating, I'm kind of like, yeah, even with the dating yeah, it's just kind of like totally watch that, listen to that episode we gotta listen to it.
Speaker 1:I was like I don't know if you guys had that experience or what's your experience, but I had a stint where, like, black men did not talk to me, really like I don't know what it was. I don't know what it was, black men did not talk to me, but like they're usually not from. That's really weird.
Speaker 3:They're weird. They want us to chase them now, which I'm not doing. I'm not chasing you, sir. I'm not doing it. So it's like I thought you were acting like your granddaddy and stopped playing.
Speaker 2:But what was the conclusion of that conversation you had about that? Because I'm curious too.
Speaker 3:You gotta watch it. I'm gonna watch it, ladies.
Speaker 1:So is there anything else that you guys want the people to know, about your businesses, about the Harmony Utopia Fest, because we about to play a game.
Speaker 3:Oh, I like games First, and foremost.
Speaker 2:Follow us on social media. Royal Habits Clothing. Royal Habits Clothing. We were born royal. You already know that for the culture. And then the Harmony Utopia Fest on IG as well.
Speaker 3:And then it's at Javier Collection. Okay.
Speaker 1:And it starts with a Z guys she got on me. She got on me. She's fancy. She said it's J, it's pronounced J.
Speaker 3:I was like okay, girl All right.
Speaker 1:So we're going to play a game. I like to do a game, you know, break it up so we're not so monotonous and serious. We're gonna play this game called Roll With it or Bounce. And speaking we were talking about dating, so this is a dating game. I'm gonna read you some scenarios and you're gonna let me know. Are you gonna roll with it or are you gonna bounce? Okay, y'all ready. Yes, they have a dysfunctional family.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna roll with it.
Speaker 3:My family's dysfunctional. Me too, like I think everybody's family's dysfunctional in some type of way, roll with it.
Speaker 1:Okay, they have a child. I'm bouncing.
Speaker 3:I used to say it was okay, but never again. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like okay, so I'm 35 and I feel like any, I like older men, so I feel like they gonna have a child.
Speaker 3:That's the problem, as we get older.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I mean generally I would say balance, but I feel like I'm at a point where maybe I have to roll with it.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm 34 and I'm still. I might have to roll with it, but I'm 32, but I'm just like it depends.
Speaker 1:It depends Like, if you older like I, could like a 10, 11-year-old.
Speaker 3:I may be older.
Speaker 1:You got a baby. Yeah, that was my problem.
Speaker 3:They had a baby. Well, she was about maybe two or three and I'm just like it was just a lot, the baby mama, just a lot.
Speaker 1:Because they got me attached. That's too soon.
Speaker 2:I tried it once and it was just like oh, that's what this is, no.
Speaker 3:That last time.
Speaker 2:I say that right now, Every single minute it was like oh, my daughter, my daughter, my daughter it was family time and I'm like family time.
Speaker 3:Family time Like no, you're going to go by yourself, but yeah, I'm never going to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm good, I don't require too much attention, right. Yeah, we trying to get to know each other in a single parent household.
Speaker 3:I'm a stick for Sodom. I guess I'll stick. There's a lot of people I mean. It's just kind of like I was in a single parent household.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. I'm a stick for Sodom. Okay, they use too many emojis in your messages.
Speaker 2:I'm probably gonna bounce.
Speaker 3:I like emojis. I feel like I feel loved. I like emojis. I feel like.
Speaker 2:I feel loved.
Speaker 1:I feel like you have like one at the end, like your emoji could be at the end of your sentence.
Speaker 2:See, we East Coast girls. So we on that.
Speaker 1:Nah, it's fine Well because here's my thing there comes a fine line between the man I want and the men that out there I ain't going to say nothing else about that. Is that for real? It saying nothing else about that? They want to have their lips done. Huh, is that for a male? Okay, so this is for a dating in general so. I'll change the question that they want to have any plastic surgery or any kind of thing.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, man, abs. No, I'm good, hit the gym bro. Yeah, you better go to the gym. That's not happening.
Speaker 1:They were raised from a different background. That's fine, that's tricky. You all black, you know they ain't outside their race.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean outside the race. I thought you meant like traditional, because you know like some people be like, oh, like they want a woman.
Speaker 3:That just—. I would think my only background is race right, right. I think it's race, my only background is race. I mean I have a type, but I mean I have dated a Hispanic guy before, but I mean I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2:As long as they treat me right you know, I have a date outside my race, yeah.
Speaker 3:She's bouncing.
Speaker 2:She's like nah good.
Speaker 1:Look at your face.
Speaker 2:I'm sitting here thinking I have, but will I gain?
Speaker 3:You know you're right.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing. Here's the thing I have because I've had to, because that's all they would talk to me about, but it's always like I don't want to explain nothing really. But I don't mind, if you like. There's people that are aware enough where it doesn't really bother me but it is easier.
Speaker 2:So I had a best friend right.
Speaker 1:All right, that's so off topic now. Okay, never mind. All right, they can't multitask.
Speaker 3:They can't multitask. I'm going to bounce, yeah, bounce.
Speaker 2:That's going to get on my nerve. My patience is about my balance.
Speaker 3:Me too. I have no patience anymore.
Speaker 1:Well, that was Roll with it or bow to it, Okay well, I just want to say thank y'all for coming on the show. It's all good for me, I like to leave my shows with messages to either our younger selves or some people in the audience. If you had to leave a message to yourself about creating your own business and pursuing your dreams and knowing your purpose, what would you say?
Speaker 3:I would say never give up, because there's been many times throughout my life I wanted to give up. I was crying in my room by myself and I'm just like I can't you know. But I just say never give up, because whatever you do whether you want to be a singer, you want to be a business owner, this or that, dr Lloyd, everything's hard. It doesn't matter what you're doing, it's going to be difficult and the people that stick with it is the ones that are gonna be successful at the end of the day. So that's what I would tell myself and the viewers out there too.
Speaker 2:So I would just thinking I'm like I would probably tell myself, like you're gonna hear a thousand no's. You know what I'm saying? It only takes one yes, and everything is about timing.
Speaker 1:That's about it well, there you have it again. Ladies, let them know where they can find you. I'll drop your handles again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my personal page. I am Shakora on Instagram that's S-H-A-C-O-R-A. Like Tupac Royal Habits Clothing on Instagram. Royal Habits Clothing also Instagram. Royal Habits Clothing. Also the Harmony Utopia Fest. Shout out to us.
Speaker 3:And then my Instagram is at Javier Z, as in zebra H-A-V-E-A, and then also my hair care collection is at Javier, Collection, spelled the same way as my name.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, there you have it guys. Thank have it guys. Thank y'all again for coming on the show. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. I'm glad y'all came and if you guys have any questions or you guys want to reach out to these ladies, do not hesitate to either hit does it, that's all up. Or their individual pages. It would all be listed like subscribe, share, keep it in the community and that's it. That's all. That's All LA with distribution through our collective slap the network. If you have any ideas for a show you want to hear or see, please email us at info at slap the powercom and, as always, go to desert, that's allcom and sign up there to make sure you will never miss a thing. See you next show.
