Porcelynn - SPECIAL D.I.D.A. ARTIST SPOTLIGHT!!!

In this podcast, Porcelynn, a singer-songwriter and rapper, discusses her journey as an artist and the struggles she faced, including societal pressure to lose weight and conform to certain standards. She shares how therapy helped her overcome these challenges and regain her passion for music. The discussion also touches on the origins of her stage name and the empowering message she aims to embody as a black artist.

Host KC Carnage (@iamkccarnage), and Porcelynn (@luvporcelynn)

Chapters

• 4:54 Embrace fearlessness as a black artist.
• 5:28 Fearlessness and perseverance in pursuing dreams.
• 13:09 Artistic freedom is empowering and important.
• 20:53 Overcoming body image challenges.
• 22:03 Embrace self-love and body positivity.

Transcript

00:00 SPEAKER_01 Well, the biggest thing for me coming up was always a weight issue. For me, anybody I went to talk to about wanting to be an artist, it was always like, you know, you gotta lose weight or you can't wear that gray hair. I used to wear gray hair back in like 2011, 12, 13 before it became popular. So everybody's like, what, what, you know, this is electro pop music, this gray hair, where are you going with this? You know, need to slim down. You know, I did all that, dropped a whole bunch of weight and the people who were saying that I need to do that still weren't doing what needed to be done. So I went through some challenges with that and I stopped in music, got depressed for a couple of years, just start working a job. Just like, let me just keep a roof over my head. And then honestly, after three years of therapy is when I was able to start to put out music videos and come back to my music and do things like this and be porcelain the doll.

00:58 SPEAKER_02 What up, what up, what up, what up? This is That's It, That's All. I'm your host, Kasey Carnage. And today we're doing another artist spotlight. You know, we got to highlight our beautiful black women that's out here doing a thing, making music, doing art, whatever it is, we want to spotlight it. And today we have porcelain on the show. Welcome girl. She hails from Illinois. She's a songwriter. She's a singer. She's a rapper. I mean, she's worked with some, like some of the greatest producers such as Roddy Jerkins, et cetera, et cetera. But I'll let you tell, I'll let her tell it because I ain't going to tell her story. That's what she's here for. So porcelain, let's just start it off with this. How you doing? I am better than a man.

02:00 SPEAKER_01 Looking good. Well, thank you.

02:02 SPEAKER_02 Thank you. With your captain hat on.

02:04 SPEAKER_01 She got a captain hat on, y'all. I figured for interviews, I should start wearing hats. Oh, is that the thing? Okay. It's cute. I think I'm going to stick with it, make it a thing.

02:12 SPEAKER_02 Okay. I mean, you can also make your own, you know, Santiali, you can get you a cute one, do your own thing, you know? Okay. Well, let's jump right into it. Tell us a little bit about you and a little bit about you as an artist as well.

02:24 SPEAKER_01 You know, people know, let's get to know porcelain. Porcelain is a singer, songwriter, originally from Illinois, spent some teenage years and some of my twenties in Atlanta. So I like to say I'm from both places. I am, I used to say when I was describing what I was like as an artist, I'm Beyonce and Gaga mixed, but I've evolved from that. But that's really what inspired me was those two sounds and images. So I came together and started making my own music to reflect what I would do with both of what I like the most about each one. So that really developed in Atlanta. And then I always wanted to live in LA. Why? Because I grew up watching Fresh Prince of Bel Air, 90210, Melrose Place, you know, all the old school 90s shows. Yeah, definitely. And I was like, oh, well, that's where everyone lives.

03:18 SPEAKER_02 They knew how to real estate over here. I'm a Jersey girl. And I was like, oh, son, sand beach poetry. And you get here, you walk down Hollywood Boulevard and it's dirty as fuck. Right. It is what it is. OK, so like, how did you come up with the name Porcelain?

03:35 SPEAKER_01 So a group of friends, we were sitting around, one of my friends was starting a music team. They were called Mully Rocks. And they're like, all right, everybody's going to be an artist here. You know, like, if you're going to be here, what do you do? Do you sing? Do you do videography? What's going on? I'm like, well, I sing and I want to be part of it. So I did audition. I sang Speechless by Beyonce. And they're like, all right, you're in. So he started to shout out to Gerard, one of my best friends. He started to put together shows and he had an album release party. And then he's like, wait, because Rihanna was super big at that time. And Roshanda is my government name. So they're like, that's too close to Rihanna. Let's come up with something else. So they were like, she always looks like a porcelain doll. So that's where I guess it came from. And I just went with it. I'm like, OK. I mean, it's cute. You know, because initially I'm like, wait, porcelain's white. But they were like, no, the doll aspect, the makeup and stuff. I was like, OK.

04:34 SPEAKER_02 Yeah, get it right. Get it right. Get it right. It's just like, wait a minute, hold up.

04:38 SPEAKER_01 Let's change the name. Let's change the spelling. And then we made it a porcelain and in with two Ns.

04:44 SPEAKER_02 So when you, it's OK. So we got the how it came from. So how have you embodied what porcelain is?

04:50 SPEAKER_01 That's a really good question. That's just the fearless nature of what I stand for as a black person. I'll just keep it there. I'm not going to say all the other things, but I'm a person who is black. And we have obviously been challenged with so many things. And I'm on my, I don't know if you noticed the National Civil Rights Museum. I'm on that right now. I've been in this rabbit hole of Dr. Umar. And we're going to come back to the question. So I mean, girl, talks. I stand for that. Just being fearless enough to go forward and continue, even if you do stop for a long period of time. I didn't focus on music or anything for about six years. So I had to take some time for me to actually experience my life and then put it together. So I embody porcelain by really living it out. When I wrote Filthy Hollywood, I lived in Atlanta and I had a dream of living here.

05:52 SPEAKER_02 And I had no idea that it was as filthy as it is. Okay, we just said it. It's very filthy. Okay. So when you decided that you wanted to be an artist, is that something you've always wanted to do? Oh yeah. Like from a young age? Because for me, it was a little different. It was like I sang everywhere. I was in all the plays. I sang in all the choirs. Because my voice, I swear the frequency of my voice can cut through a brick sometimes. So I was in the adult choir. I was in the youth choir. I was on all that. But I didn't say that I wanted to be an artist. It was just something that I wanted to be good at. And then when I got to be an adult, I said, wait a minute, this is my lane.

06:33 SPEAKER_01 So what has that journey been for you? It's been since I can remember. If I look back at elementary school, growing up in church, I always sang. There was never really a time where I didn't sing or want to sing. Like that was it. Elementary school talent shows. Definitely church. Definitely church for the most part, because we was there all day on Sundays morning, noon and night. So of course you're going to end up singing. And then at school, I was always in the back of the class writing something, singing, rapping, creating parts for my friends to sing. It's like, OK, this your part, this your part, this your part. And I was always so serious and everybody's kind of like, I had a few friends that got with me. But for the most part, it's like we're not.

07:25 SPEAKER_02 We're not your backup. We're not your backup.

07:27 SPEAKER_01 So what was the first song you ever wrote? Oh my God. It was something I can't remember the words. I just know we were in junior high school and it was like something about music bumping and pumping. What the heck was it? I wish I had my friends here to tell me. Somebody go, what was the song? I don't know. It was something about Friday nights bumping and pumping. But in my more conscious years of being like an adult lights camera action, that was like

08:05 SPEAKER_02 my first time really recording my first song that I wrote. OK, OK. So I would say, what was the first song I ever wrote? The first song I think I ever wrote, I was listening to something and it was just like, because I used to hum a lot. My pitch is pretty good. I hear something and I was just humming a lot. And it was a song called Fly Away. And I have it on. And the thing is, I wrote it when I was in middle school and then it was in one of my journals one day and I was looking through my journals and SoundCloud came about, right? SoundCloud came about, my friend had this be, and I was like, let me see. It was the worst recording I think I've ever heard. But it was like, fly away for my sake. I was like, OK, maybe I could do something. It was like Fly Away. But it was like Fly Away Roach. Get out of here. It was about that. I was living through my, what is it, that adolescence, your first love, you're hers, you always lying. It was something like that. You know, you write one of those when you're younger and you don't know nothing about it. You just writing it because you not heard something about it. OK, so my next question for you is, what has been some of your big influences as far as how your sound, I think you talked base on it earlier about blending the sounds of Beyonce and Lady Gaga. But like, if you had to think of like this person I heard and this is what, you know, who has been your influences?

09:37 SPEAKER_01 It's been a lot of them. Rest In Peace, Tina Turner. My God. Rest In Peace, Luther Vandross. Rest In Peace, Whitney Houston. Oh my God. You're going to make me cry right now. There are so many.

09:48 SPEAKER_02 Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone. Anybody alive?

09:54 SPEAKER_01 Because it's like, look, you want to talk about real inspiration?

09:56 SPEAKER_02 Yeah. No, I feel you. Prince Prince, like not too much. I'm staring right at you. Girl, I cried like a little baby on social media snot and all when Tina Turner died. Like that that lady, man, her story is so powerful and just more so like the way and route she went into as a musician. She's like, I want to be a rock star, a black woman rock star, which we have not seen. It's Tina.

10:24 SPEAKER_01 You know what I mean? That's honestly what I what I would want to do. When I was going that electro pop route, I really I had this song called We Own the Night, which was pretty much a rock song.

10:34 SPEAKER_02 And it was like, everybody's like, OK, you know how you play for your friend. That from us. Yeah. It's like the thing about black people in general, I mean, you know, this is a black lady, black lady show period. But they don't expect stuff like that. They don't expect versatility. Like I literally had somebody say to me, one of my one of the people that I know, I won't air you out, but I was a little offended. They made a post about needing some vocals or something. This is somebody I work with all the time. I was like, well, why are you sending this post? Why don't you text me? He's like, well, you know, the song that I want you on, we're waiting for another part. And this one, you know, might not be for your voice. I was like, first of all, time out. I was like, if you want to choose other people, that's one thing. But to say to an artist that you know for a fact is a versatile singer. I can sound like a Disney princess. I can sound like a baritone male. I have all those ranges. So for you to tell me that my voice is what was insulting. And I was just like, so I said to him, I said, look, I get the business. You choose who you want to choose. But that's not what you say to somebody who you know. You know what I mean? So it's very strange, the kind of boxes they put us in about what they want to hear. They say black women, we automatically got to be singing R&B. If you skinny and black, you a pop star. So it's nice to know that, like, no, no, we're singing other stuff. Like, you know what I mean? Definitely. It's like you were in electro pop for a while. Like, how did you like that?

12:06 SPEAKER_01 I love it. That's when EDM was big. That's just really where I found myself as an artist because it was so freeing. And whenever people ask that question, I was like, well, what am I supposed to say? Because I'm not technically R&B. I'm not pop. I'm not, you know, definitely not country. But all of those elements are mixed up in there. So I'm just going to be that. And when I was actually discovered, if you will, by one of my investors early on, he didn't believe he didn't know I was black. He was like, is she black? Is she white? What is she? Well, he didn't say she why he was like, is she like what he knew wasn't black? He just wanted to know who she was. And then my friend who introduced me, shout out to Joy, she introduced me to him. And he was like, um, she can't be black. No, not sound like this. It's like, yep. So he was really excited to endorse and get it going because.

13:01 SPEAKER_02 Yeah. Well, I mean, that's amazing. It's don't put it in the box to be able to do whatever we want to do. What we want to do, because that's art. That's music. Right. And like music is so universal. And you should be able to hear what you sound on your heart or sing what's in your heart, no matter what it is, because, you know, like we got ears. You know what I mean? And those who are fortunate enough to have hearing, you know, they we hear so many things, you know, depending on where you live or your experiences and you like something like like I'm terrible. Like people ask me to go into the will be driving. It's like Casey played a radio. I said, I am not the DJ because y'all, I know y'all don't want to hear what y'all what I listen to. Like I will clear my whole room to dream girls to soundtrack. I listen to some journey or so like that. Like I'm listening to all kind of stuff. So it's like it is a thing where, you know, you know, that freedom, like you said, that freedom is important, especially in artistic expression. So I feel you on that. But I want to play a little game. OK. Sure. You want to play a game? It's going to call What's Your Jam? And you want to tell me who you prefer with my jam. All right.

14:10 SPEAKER_01 Cardi B or Megan Thee Stallion? Ooh, why you put me on the side? Because they watch it. Hey, Cardi, hey, Megan. Hey, ladies. Um, such a hard choice. I don't I don't know if I have an answer. I mean, they're pretty even to me.

14:35 SPEAKER_02 If you want to say both, say both. Yeah, I'll go with both. I'll go with both, too, because I love them both.

14:39 SPEAKER_01 I don't really see a difference. I feel like they both hold their own and they have made a name for themselves.

14:47 SPEAKER_02 They're very successful. I like them both. They do it. Megan come in. She come in like a straight. She come in hard. I love it. She come in hard. She come on the track. It's like, bam, you like, you know, she here. And Cardi, I just like Cardi because she has literally made a name for us. I'm being who she is. Like, yeah, that's one of the first artists that I feel like has broke through just just being who she is. And it should be that easy. It should be that easy.

15:10 SPEAKER_01 Like, even though it wasn't easy, Cardi B know it wasn't easy. But it's easier than what it was maybe 20 years ago to break in or even 10 years.

15:18 SPEAKER_02 Right. It's refreshing. OK. Flo Milli versus City Girls.

15:26 SPEAKER_01 I have a really best, best, close, close, close, best friend who's from Miami. So I know a city girl inside and out before there was a group City Girls. I knew that girl. And I think shout out, shout out to Gabby. I'm shouting out to all my friends. She's the one who taught me how to wear a designer, how to fly out of the country, how to go first class like a Miami girl. Got to have one on your roster. So I'm going to go with City Girls. OK. Dochi is a very, very, very dope artist, and she's very talented. And I won't lie and say I know all about her music because I don't. I don't know all about City Girls music, but

16:05 SPEAKER_02 they fly. I know a city girl. OK. Maya or Ciara? Ciara all day. Ciara. I'm going to go with Ciara. Atlanta. I'm going to go with Ciara because Ciara we dancing. She be dancing and she be fly. I don't know what she doing for our music now, but like I feel like she's more fashion. I just like want her to get like more ads like, you know what I mean? Like because she be coming to some fly stuff and I'm like, where the music though? Like, you know what I mean? But I'm going to go with Ciara.

16:31 SPEAKER_01 Yeah, I guess, you know, I'm sure once you get to that point where you've done it for so long.

16:36 SPEAKER_02 That's all we had this argument. I had this argument with my friends like, does she really have to put on music?

16:41 SPEAKER_01 I mean, I tell you, my idea like dream life was as a child. OK, I want to be a superstar when I grow up. Right. So all of my 20s, I wanted to be just this pop star. OK. And then in my 30s, I wanted to go into being an actress. And then in my 40s, I wanted to go into fashion and like self help stuff. So I feel like that's where they're headed. Some of those who have made their fortune from music already. It's like, OK, now we're going to move into.

17:07 SPEAKER_02 We're going to move into something else. OK. SWV versus Escape.

17:15 SPEAKER_01 Who's saying I get so weak in the knees I can hardly speak? SWV. OK, so it's SWV. Because that's the first one that popped in my head.

17:22 SPEAKER_02 Did you watch the show? No. So they got a show out right now. I got to watch it. And they and I'll be and I'm watching it. And I'm like, don't get me wrong, because the argument was who's going to headline. Right. And Escape was like, well, we got more followers because we're more relevant. Because, you know, Candy and Tiny are on reality shows. And SWV is like, we sold more records and Weak is one of the number one songs in the world. I was like, they got a point because, you know, people sing Weak like they've been singing all their lives and can't sing a lick. So I'm going to go SWV as well. All right. Next one. Danny D.

17:54 SPEAKER_01 Kane versus Pussycat Dolls. I was I was a Danny D. Kane fan. I was not a stan because I don't know their songs, but that I still want to make a music video like that with like a night scene with the city, with the kind of wet ground. Showstopping. I love showstopping.

18:13 SPEAKER_02 First of all, Danny D. Kane all day. I'm so mad about that. Did he fumble the bag? And I said it come come for me if you want to, because Danny D. Kane, I mean, don't get me wrong, girl groups don't work. We all know this. They don't work. It's inevitable. Does Nisha work? No, it didn't. Not really. Not really. If you think about it. No, because they had to replace members. No, they wanted to replace members to appease one member. You know what I mean? It wasn't like it. So it's like they don't work. But it is what it is. But Danny D. Kane was lit. OK. Missy Elliott versus Lil' Kim. Missy Elliott, Missy Elliott, Missy Elliott. And only because it's Missy Elliott. Like Lil' Kim, love you to death. But it's Missy Elliott all day. All right. Jill Scott versus Erykah Badu. I'm not choosing. I got to tell someone else. Sorry for ya. I can't choose either. I can't choose either. Because Jillian Erykah, that's my baby. They're there, yeah. OK. India Irene or Sade?

19:08 SPEAKER_01 Oh, what? I love this game. It's like. I'm going to go with India Irene only just because she's closer to my age. Like I was in high school when she first started to blow up.

19:25 SPEAKER_02 Ah, man. You know, I write these verses knowing what answer which ones are going to be able to be answered and not. I got to go with both two because Sade is in her own lane. She's created a vibe that like has still not been able to compare those two. You can't compare the two. All right. Last one. SZA versus her.

19:46 SPEAKER_01 Y'all are going to really like try to take my young, young, cool people card. Because listen, I'm 38. OK. I'm not only I just look like this. But. I'll be knowing these people. I'll be knowing these girls music. I don't I haven't listened to SZA's album. I know everybody's going to be like, what? How could you? I haven't listened to it. And who was the other person? Her? I haven't listened to hers.

20:09 SPEAKER_02 So it's hard for me to say. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. So I'm going to go with. Oh, I'm going to go with SZA only because she from Jersey.

20:19 SPEAKER_01 Jersey. I feel like I feel like it's SZA's season. I feel like SZA is doing amazing. Right.

20:27 SPEAKER_02 Yes, it's definitely a SZA season, but it's a her season too. Her is I seen her in a commercial. Her been in a commercial. But again, they have two different vibes. OK, well, that's the end of what's your jam? Yeah, can you say I don't have a PR rep? All right. So let's get into I have a question. What's what are some challenges that you face being in this industry?

20:51 SPEAKER_01 And how have you overcome them? Well, the biggest thing for me coming up was always a weight issue for me. Anybody I went to talk to about wanting to be an artist, it was always like, you know, you got to lose weight or you can't wear that gray hair. I used to wear gray hair back in like 2011, 12, 13 before it became popular. So it was like, well, you know, this electropop music, this gray hair. Where are you going with this? You know, need to slim down. You know, I did all that, dropped a whole bunch of weight. And the people who were saying that I need to do that still weren't doing what needed to be done, like music videos and getting it done. Like I did my part. Do you? So I went through some challenges with that and I stopped in music, got depressed for a couple of years, just start working a job. Just like, let me just keep a roof over my head. But obviously, I've always kept singing and kept going. And then honestly, after three years of therapy is when I was able to start to put out music videos and come back to my music and do things like this and be porcelain, the doll, because it doesn't matter. Like those for me, that was the biggest obstacle for me.

21:57 SPEAKER_02 And I'm still just now kind of getting over that. Well, let me ask you this. Like, I'm glad that you were vulnerable enough to speak on that, because that is a hot topic about, you know, people body shaming, even like Lizzo. Like, you know, I think Lizzo is an icon in her own right and is becoming probably one of the biggest stars in the world because she stood up and said, no, I'm not going to conform. You're going to love me the way I am. And I'm sure that translate translate to a lot of women that are being told you got to look this way. And you really don't, because guess what? I can look this way. But there are women that look like me and need to be represented as well. So that's like thank you for that, because people do need to hear that. And, you know, you have to love yourself. And sometimes it is hard and it's OK. Like she said, she went through therapy and she got like, get the help that you need. But at the end of the day, know that you are beautiful and you are going to do whatever you want because you can do whatever you want. And no matter what it is, we're all women at the same, you know, at the same time. And we all stand with each other. So I really appreciate you talking about that, because it is it is a big thing in this music industry.

23:01 SPEAKER_01 Like people go insane over stuff like that. Yeah. And do really strange things and die on tables. Trying to look a certain way. And that's also something that the investor that I had pretty much made like an ultimatum. He was kind of like, you know, you're going to get the surgery because and this is again 2012, 2013. So before became what it is now. He knew it was coming. So it's like we got to put you in position early. So he's like, when you walk in like this, you're going to get the deal. You're going to be done. And I'm just like, oh, so right.

23:35 SPEAKER_02 So big ups to you. Big up to Lizzo. Keep telling the people that they need to hear it. They need to hear it. You are beautiful. You are beautiful. You are beautiful. OK, well, let's get into this song. OK, we can play. So, you know, my artist highlights, you know, like I like to play the song so you can hear it too. And sometimes I get an exclusive here and there. But today she's going to we're going to play. Sorry, we're going to play paint the town by porcelain. And before we get into it, tell me a little bit about the song. How how did you come up with it? What was the concept behind it?

24:08 SPEAKER_01 Where were you at? What was your mindset in writing it? I actually had a girlfriend, what my best friend. Shout out to Dominique. I'm the godmother to her son. She was having some issues at the time with the boyfriend. And I just really wrote that song after I got off the phone with her. I was just like, you know what? And that's really just how it came out. A lot of my songwriting is like inspired by just.

24:36 SPEAKER_02 Prince is really looking at you, y'all, for all the people that can't see in the studio. Prince is over our shoulder looking at it and is like looking into her eyes.

24:48 SPEAKER_01 Prince is like, tell them what I said. Tell them what I just said. But yes, so he it was, you know. Cheating boyfriend stuff. So that's where the song came from.

24:59 SPEAKER_02 So did you write it for her? I did you write it because it was a correlation or something that happened with you as well.

25:05 SPEAKER_01 It wasn't. I honestly. Well, of course, you know what I mean? It's always the X I can pull from energy. Don't we all don't we all know always. But she gave me kind of like that fire. And then obviously. It's dramatized that the things, you know, I don't even know what I say in a song. What am I saying?

25:24 SPEAKER_02 I don't know. We've got to listen to it. So they may not be the town by porcelain.

25:35 SPEAKER_01 Extra extra read all about it. Ladies, have you ever been cheated on? Well, don't eat ice cream and be sad. Paint the town with porcelain. Hello. What? You know what? I'm not I'm not doing this. I'm out. I'm painting the town.

26:07 SPEAKER_00 Hey, scum. Don't call my home because you cheat on me. Cheat on me. Hey, jerk off. You can kiss my ass. I like to be paid and more so I'll hit the streets. Bag of super jizz. Now you want to settle down, but no settlement. No settlement. You said that you love me more than all the words in the book. Now you want to settle down, but you can kiss my ass. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Wait. Excuse me. Hey, jerk off. I thought you were the one. Hey, douchebag. You lost the classy one. Because you cheat on me. Time and time and time and time and time before. Cheat on me. Time and time and time and time and time before. I'm gonna snatch your check. Straight disrespect. Bitch.

27:28 SPEAKER_02 I'm pimpin' out. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. No longer lost in your world. Because baby, I'm a big girl in my world. In my world. No longer lost in your world. Because baby, I'm a big girl in my world. In my world. Bitch. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Painting the town porcelain. Painting the town porcelain. Red lights we go. Painting the town porcelain. Painting the town porcelain. Painting the town porcelain. Yes, yes. Again, that was Paint the Town by Porcelain. It was giving real like eclectic, electro vibes. Like I felt like I was like in a dark seated like room. You know what I mean? Just like yelling at them. Was that like the vibe it was supposed to give me? Like I almost kind of felt like it was a little S&M too. Like you had them chained up in a box. Oh my goodness. That was pretty dark wasn't it? Right? That's what, but it was sexy. Like you had little boots on. I got some edges. All the way up. And you know, all of you and y'all gonna see the video too. Cause we had the video up. But okay, cool. Well again, again y'all we got porcelain on the show today. Thank you so much for coming.

29:40 SPEAKER_01 Please let them know how they find you. Yes, you can find me on Instagram. Love porcelain. That's L-U-V-P-O-R-C-E-L-Y-N-N. I'm also on YouTube. If you just YouTube porcelain, Paint the Town, you'll see my video and it'll pull you right up to my page. TikTok is actually Billionaire Babe,

29:59 SPEAKER_02 which is my overall business company name. I hope that you had a great time. I did, it was fun. I had a great time with you. And again guys, if any of y'all wanna be a part of this conversation, y'all wanna ask her any questions, y'all can shoot it to us too. We'll definitely feed it to her. And you know, she's very friendly. She's very outgoing. She might answer it. She might not, depending on the question, we don't know. But that's nonetheless still good. If you enjoyed this episode, y'all, y'all wanna hear more artless spotlights or if there's an artist you do wanna see on the show, please like, please subscribe, please share, do all the things you can hear us on every podcast station that you're listening to and check out our YouTube as well. And that's it. That's all. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. That's actually like my favorite sound. That's it, that's all is written by me, Casey Carnage and produced by myself and Rick Barrio-Dill. Executive producer is Duff Ferguson. Our senior producer is Sabrina Sewer, associate producer, Bree Corrie, audio and video engineering and studio facilities provided by Slap Studios LA with distribution through our collective for social progress and cultural expression, Slap the Network. If you have any ideas for a show you want to hear or see, please email us at info at slapthepower.com. And as always, go to dasitdasall.com and sign up there to make sure you will never miss a thing. See you next show.